arc
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Post by arc on Apr 3, 2009 16:23:30 GMT -5
Just asking whats the difference between dagorhir and belengarth.
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Post by Skeith, the Forsaken on Apr 3, 2009 17:03:38 GMT -5
Belegarth I know is pretty much the same as Dagorhir. I do know bel tends to have players who are less role play more stick jocks. Also the armor grappling rule is different. You can check out the rules here, www.belegarth.com/documents/bookofwar.pdf
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Post by solusar on Apr 12, 2009 19:53:56 GMT -5
Basically what Skeith said. The games are like 90% similar, but there are little differences the biggest being in grappling, weapon construction, politics, and the night life. You should go to all the events both games have because it'll rule.
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Hakan
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Post by Hakan on May 1, 2009 17:36:50 GMT -5
*Belegarth, no N ^_~
We do have a lot more "Stick Jocks" than people who want to Role Play and have character stories (not that there's anything wrong with either group), Less scenario battles, and it's been said that due to the more combat-oriented nature of us we fight just a little bit harder. (I reeeeaallly don't want to get into the whole Bel vs Dag who's better though)
Our biggest (mid west) event is inarguably OktoberFest which is somewhat smaller than Rag but we tend to have a higher ratio of Fighter to Non-Combatants than Dagorhir (not that Non-com's are bad either)
Answer all your questions? If not, feel free to ask and I'll answer as best I can.
(I hope that didn't sound snarky)
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Post by Squire Ducky McFeelgood on May 2, 2009 1:16:45 GMT -5
as a guy out in Illinois, who has been doing the both of them for about two years now, and can tell you in my play and going out to fight, i notice little difference besides people, and even then i'm becoming friends with more and more people who careless about the differences and just want to beat each other with foam.
try it out. they are wanting to reach out just as much as we are to them.
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olos
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Post by olos on May 3, 2009 20:07:51 GMT -5
Just a handful of rules differences, read through the applicable set before going to that specific field, and you'll be more than good to go. And the nightlife/politics is a bit different, but and I quote:
You should go to all the events both games have because it'll rule.
I swing stick, I don't care who I swing it at. Hell, I've even been jonesin' to fight more of the amtgard guys around here.
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Post by Buddha on May 4, 2009 9:04:19 GMT -5
I've been to a belegarth event, and it rocked hardcore. Dag and Bel mesh better than pb and j
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arrakis
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Post by arrakis on May 4, 2009 10:14:36 GMT -5
Off the top of my head:
Dag has a flail head weight minimum, Bel doesn't.
It isn't Bel policy to measure the smallest part of a flail head.
In Bel, if a weapon is <24" long, it doesn't have to make min. weight.
Armor wearers may initiate grapples with folk wearing the same or a higher type of armor in this hierarchy: Leather, Chain, Plate, but plate may never initiate grapples.
Bel doesn't have minimum blade dimensions anymore (though the minimum 12" non-pommel, non-handle rule still applies, as do length specifications for each class).
Bel doesn't have the "Can't balance in the handle" rule.
Dag doesn't have a max flail length rule. In Bel, the max allowable flail length is 40".
Shield contact to the head and neck in Belegarth is "discouraged" but not outright disallowed (accidents happen).
In Bel, a single strike can only damage one target area and convention calls for a struck fighter to take the more serious of the target areas if there is sufficient force on both areas.
If an arm is disabled by a green or yellow in Bel, you're supposed to let it dangle limply at your side.
The 2.5" rule is applied in all directions on weapons, not just perpendicular to the blade and parallel to the blade.
There is no fixed max Red handle length. The max handle on a Red is 18" or 1/3 of the length of the weapon, whichever is greater.
Spears in Bel can only flex 45, not 90.
Max shield height is the wielder's height less 18".
Rigid metal full helms don't pass.
The definition of Shield still includes the word "rigid" in Bel, so shields still legitimately fail for taco.
The BoW says: "3.2.1. Weapons which strike with sufficient force can score a hit and/or Injury to the Target Area."
Ok, so some of that wasn't off the top of my head. But you get the picture. That's, near as I can figure it, all the differences, rules-wise, between Bel and Dag.
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olos
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Post by olos on May 4, 2009 10:54:26 GMT -5
Off the top of my head: Dag has a flail head weight minimum, Bel doesn't. It isn't Bel policy to measure the smallest part of a flail head. In Bel, if a weapon is <24" long, it doesn't have to make min. weight. Armor wearers may initiate grapples with folk wearing the same or a higher type of armor in this hierarchy: Leather, Chain, Plate, but plate may never initiate grapples. Bel doesn't have minimum blade dimensions anymore (though the minimum 12" non-pommel, non-handle rule still applies, as do length specifications for each class). Bel doesn't have the "Can't balance in the handle" rule. Dag doesn't have a max flail length rule. In Bel, the max allowable flail length is 40". Shield contact to the head and neck in Belegarth is "discouraged" but not outright disallowed (accidents happen). In Bel, a single strike can only damage one target area and convention calls for a struck fighter to take the more serious of the target areas if there is sufficient force on both areas. If an arm is disabled by a green or yellow in Bel, you're supposed to let it dangle limply at your side. The 2.5" rule is applied in all directions on weapons, not just perpendicular to the blade and parallel to the blade. There is no fixed max Red handle length. The max handle on a Red is 18" or 1/3 of the length of the weapon, whichever is greater. Spears in Bel can only flex 45, not 90. Max shield height is the wielder's height less 18". Rigid metal full helms don't pass. The definition of Shield still includes the word "rigid" in Bel, so shields still legitimately fail for taco. The BoW says: "3.2.1. Weapons which strike with sufficient force can score a hit and/or Injury to the Target Area." Ok, so some of that wasn't off the top of my head. But you get the picture. That's, near as I can figure it, all the differences, rules-wise, between Bel and Dag. Pretty comprehensive list, though you forgot the magic switch, which is basically the only thing you really need to remember going between sports. (magic switch = moving a weapon from a dead arm to your other arm after it has been struck. The magic switch is explicitly allowed in bel and explicitly outlawed in dag. Also, the most current dag rules are completely F-ed up, and someone screwed up when they rewrote them to put them up. The tacoing and sufficient force rules were apparently changed without being voted on.
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arrakis
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Post by arrakis on May 4, 2009 22:25:31 GMT -5
Oh yeah, magic switch. I fight strap, so I forget about that being allowed in Bel.
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olos
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Post by olos on May 5, 2009 23:22:37 GMT -5
Yeah, I worked and figured out how to toss my downsword in the air while throwing off the shield and then catching the sword so I wouldn't have to worry about this as much.
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Post by solusar on May 6, 2009 8:56:28 GMT -5
That is some slick Oi! 'Ew! Pink Skin!. I love watching people do that.
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Post by kyrax on Jun 30, 2009 13:25:38 GMT -5
Yeah, I worked and figured out how to toss my downsword in the air while throwing off the shield and then catching the sword so I wouldn't have to worry about this as much. This is illegal in Dagorhir - you have to "drop" what is in your hand.
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Post by arrakis on Jul 7, 2009 0:44:05 GMT -5
Yeah, I worked and figured out how to toss my downsword in the air while throwing off the shield and then catching the sword so I wouldn't have to worry about this as much. This is illegal in Dagorhir - you have to "drop" what is in your hand. He means he gets hit in the sword arm, drops his sword, tosses his shield-arm downsword into the air, unlimbers his strap, and catches said tossed downsword in said shieldhand. Legal wherever awesome is sold.
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Lady Krystal
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Post by Lady Krystal on Jul 7, 2009 7:46:49 GMT -5
Epic.. that's getting quote-hijacked.
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