Logar
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Post by Logar on Nov 30, 2009 15:51:10 GMT -5
Very few of us from Haven are happy with this decision. Please do not hate our realm as a whole for the words/ actions of 2 maybe 3 people.
and to correct Odin, It did happen Friday night, the majority of Haven decided to go to their nearby homes to sleep for the night. Which contributed as well to this incident.
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Odin
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Post by Odin on Nov 30, 2009 15:57:44 GMT -5
I stand corrected, Thank you Logar
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Post by Kairi Cypmann on Nov 30, 2009 22:11:59 GMT -5
Hello. I'm also from Haven, and I am one of the loudest (if not the loudest) who was up in arms about the last event. However, I would like to point out that the main reason I am upset has little to do with the boy from our realm who got himself into a mess of trouble. The thing that originally upset me the most was that my little, 14 year old brother was offered alcohol in the Sacred Grove, and replied to the man that he was 14; the guys response? "So what?" Suffice to say that I was not a happy person after this and other things I witnessed this past event (and others prior to it to a lesser degree).
I am extremely pleased with every change being made by Dominion except for one, and that change deals with the parent being required on site. Ironically, most of Haven's underage members already have their parents attend, so this would effect our realm very little. However, it WOULD effect a large number of people in Dagorhir who are under 18 who have never done anything wrong at an event, and I don't think that's right. Haven was never calling for a measure this drastic to take place, so I think it's kind of funny that everyone is playing the blame game even though we too are displeased with that particular change.
I also apologize for not being a part of this discussion sooner. I have a habit of not checking these forums except on rare occasions, so I'll do my best in the future to bring my comments and concerns directly to the MidWest forums instead of raging on ours.
I'd also like to offer my help in any way it's needed at this upcoming event. Courtesy Patrol, running a dry camp party, or anything else you need help with, please let us know. Contrary to popular belief, Haven has brought 20+ members to our last two events, and most all of us are very willing to help do grunt work. Many members intending to go have already volunteered to either herald or do shifts on courtesy patrol (most have offered to do both). If there's something else that we could do, please feel free to contact me any time at kairishadowenheart@yahoo.com. I'm in charge of coordinating our small realm, so I can definitely get the word out for you since many of our members don't log onto either this forum or ours.
Ending on a more productive note, I feel several valid ideas have been presented that would help avoid the severity of the parent on site ruling, and I would hope those are seriously looked into. Besides that fact, I agree with Orrin's post: Try out everything else and if things aren't fixed then do what you must after that, but too much at once is just that-- too much.
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Faraday
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Post by Faraday on Dec 1, 2009 15:06:06 GMT -5
So Kairi my question is if you are so upset about one specific instance, why all this dang drama? If it was my young sibling, I would have asked them for information about the person and then go talk to the individual and their unit/realm leader. Why on earth did this have to blow up into this big of a fiasco? Everyone is "playing the blame game" because the rule was implemented with big stink that YOU raised! Its a simple matter cause and effect. YOU complained about the "lax rules" that we have about underage behavior (even though its states quite the opposite in the rules and laws) so the effect was us implementing the strictest amount of control. I don't think that you will talk to any Dominion Council member (or anyone else) that likes this is what apparently needs to be done. However if thats what need to be done then we are going to do it. Its not a "save face" move. Its "Okay these people that are blowing things WAY out of proportion. What can we do to prevent this in the future?" I am done with this. As the Lady of the Dominion of the Unconquered Sun and the oaths I swore, I apologize to the Dagorhirim community about the ruckus this rule has caused. We will be revisiting this issue in a future council meeting and brainstorming on other possible solutions. Thank you to everyone for their productive input and those stepping to help run the best Gates yet. Now I put to vote we all move the hell on. Can I get a second?
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Orrin None-son
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Post by Orrin None-son on Dec 1, 2009 15:42:11 GMT -5
Seconded and motion passed.
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Post by Ashalind Silverscale on Dec 1, 2009 16:02:28 GMT -5
Ditto
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Post by turrinbarturrin on Dec 1, 2009 16:32:53 GMT -5
Ditto evolves into Ditti!! Yay
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Lady Krystal
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Post by Lady Krystal on Dec 1, 2009 19:29:12 GMT -5
I want you to know I ♥ you Faraday, and it's things like that - that inspired me to Lady beneath you As I told a handful of folks Sunday night, we've got a lot of options we plan to brainstorm and the next available council meeting (the 13th) will be where the discussion will hopefully lead to a quick resolution.
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Post by Tormir on Dec 1, 2009 19:42:41 GMT -5
Motion 5thed? Major epic points for the way you handled that Lady Faraday.
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Post by Deegun Wolfcaller on Dec 7, 2009 15:41:43 GMT -5
Per Webster/Merriam dictionary: Main Entry: shepherd Function: transitive verb Date: 1790
1 : to tend as a shepherd 2 : to guide or guard in the manner of a shepherd
I would suggest instituting a "Shepherd" program. The short of it is for minors to have one or two "Shepherd's" or temp guardians to watch over and guide them during Dominion hosted events. These people would have a signed and notorized document to verify their role and would be blessed with the responsibility of insuring that our younger members have a fun and safe time. Law would have it that these "Shepherd's" be of a legal age. (18 or 21) These "Shepherd's" Could be Realm leader, unit leaders, someone you rode to the event with, or someone your legal guardian trusts. I offer this as a solution to what I see as a debate that is on the verge of eruption. I have more resources that people can look to if this is something wort seriously considering. I will put a suggestion of a possible waiver in the next post if I can get the format to not go ape Oi! 'Ew! Pink Skin!. Good luck and God bless.
Dee
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Post by Deegun Wolfcaller on Dec 7, 2009 15:42:35 GMT -5
AUTHORIZATION FOR TEMPORARY GUARDIANSHIP OF MINOR Child Full Legal Name:_____________________________________________ Date of Birth: ___________ Age: __________ Gender: __
Doctor’s Information Doctor’s Name: ____________________________________________________________________ Doctor’s Address: __________________________________________________________________ Doctor’s Office Phone: ____________________ Doctor’s Emergency Phone: __________________ Medical Insurer/Health Plan: __________________________ Policy #: ______________________ Allergies to Medications: none________________________________________________________ Allergies (Other): ___________________________________________________________________ If applicable, please note the conditions for which the child is currently receiving treatment: _________________________________________________________________________________ Note any other significant medical information: _________________________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________________________
Dentist’s Information Dentist’s Name: ____________________________________________________________________ Dentist’s Address: __________________________________________________________________ Dentist’s Office Phone: ____________________ Dentist’s Emergency Phone: _________________ Dentist’s Insurer/Health Plan: __________________________ Policy #: ______________________
Parent(s)/Legal Guardian(s):
Parent #1: Name: _____________________________________________________ Address: ______________________________________ Home phone: ___________ Work phone: __________________________ Cell phone: ____________________________ Pager: _______________________________ Email: _____ Additional Contact Information: _______________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________________________
Parent #2: Name: _________________________________________________________________________ Address: _________________________________________________________________________ Home phone: __________________________ Work phone: __________________________ Cell phone: ____________________________ Pager: _______________________________ Email: ________________________________ Additional Contact Information: _______________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________________________
Temporary Guardian(s):
Temporary Guardian #1: Name:_________________________________________________________ Address: _________________________ Home phone: __________________________ Work phone: __________________________ Cell phone: ____________________________ Pager: _______________________________ Email: ________________________________ Additional Contact Information: _________________________________________________________________________________
Temporary Guardian #2: Name: ___________________________________________________________________________ Address: _________________________________________________________________________ Home phone: __________________________ Work phone: __________________________ Cell phone: ____________________________ Pager: _______________________________ Email: ________________________________ Additional Contact Information: _______________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________________________
Emergency Contact: Name: __________________________________ Address: ___________________________________________________________ Home phone: ____________ Work phone: __________________________ Cell phone: ____________________________ Pager: _______________________________ Email: ________________________________ Additional Contact Information: _______________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________________________
AUTHORIZATION AND CONSENT OF PARENT(S) OR LEGAL GUARDIAN(S) 1. I hereby declare that I have legal custody of the above named child. 2. I hereby grant my full permission and consent for my child to reside and travel with said temporary guardian. 3. I hereby grant the temporary guardian my full authorization to administer general first aid treatment for any minor injuries or illnesses experienced by the minor. If the injury or illness is life threatening or in need of emergency treatment, I authorize the temporary guardian to summon any and all professional emergency personnel to attend, transport, and treat the participant and to issue consent for any X-ray, anesthetic, blood transfusion, medication, or other medical diagnosis, treatment, or hospital care deemed advisable by, and to be rendered under the general supervision of, any licensed physician, surgeon, dentist, hospital, or other medical professional or institution duly licensed to practice in the state in which such treatment is to occur. 4. This authorization is effective commencing on the ______day of _________________, _______ and expiring on the ______day of ____________________, ______. 5. In the event that more than one legal guardian exists, the use of the singular shall incorporate the plural. In the event that more than one temporary guardian is named, the use of the singular shall incorporate the plural. Under penalty of perjury under the laws of the state of ______________________, I attest to the truthfulness, accuracy, and validity of the forgoing statement.
Parent 1’s signature: ________________________________ Date: ____________________
Parent 2’s signature: ________________________________ Date: ____________________
CONSENT OF TEMPORARY GUARDIAN I hereby acknowledge the terms set forth above and agree to assume responsibility in accordance with those terms. Under penalty of perjury under the laws of the state of ______________________, I attest to the truthfulness, accuracy, and validity of the forgoing statement.
Temporary Guardian 1’s signature: ________________________________ Date: ____________________
Temporary Guardian 2’s signature: ________________________________ Date: ____________________
CERTIFICATE OF ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF NOTARY PUBLIC STATE OF __________________ COUNTY OF ________________
This document was acknowledged before me on ______________________ [date] by ________________________________________________ [name of principal]. [Notary Seal, if any]: _______________________________ (Signature of Notarial Officer) Notary Public for the State of ______________ My commission expires: __________________
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nwo
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Post by nwo on Dec 9, 2009 4:10:04 GMT -5
I can offer some outside opinion from the Amtgard Kingdom that shares the same geographical area as the midwest. We currently handle things exactly as Dominion is discussing. No legal / appointed guardian... no admittance. This is largely due to the litigious nature of the country these days and anyone foolhardy enough to actually step up and auto-crat / host an event is taking on an insane amount of legal responsibility.
That said, we also require our parks now to NOT check ID's at gate for purposes of wrist bands for minors at events. Turns out, that is an acceptance of all sorts of liability and we ran into some nasty issues with that.
The current policy that does not negatively affect our not for profit status with the state and gives most chance to avoid a lawsuite is to simply enforce the mundane laws and nothing more/less. If a guy is 18, on site, and caught drinking... out the door they go or the cops are called. In theory of course, it still happens, but thats the rules and thats how it has to be for any responsible group running an event. Especially if you own a house or any other asset that can be yanked from you in a lawsuite, you'd be nuts to take on that responsibility, especially as this event grows in popularity.
If your biggest problem is that you are worried about alienating 16 year old kids from the game, you've either got it pretty good by way of problems or your base demographic is so young, it will be hard to sustain the game over the next 6 to 7 years. Gates breeched the 300 mark, thats pretty decent attendence... when you get into the big boy league you gotta play by big boy rules.
Kudo's to Dominion for trying to do the right thing! I enjoyed the event last year and will be back this year. Last year I brought my 13 year old and this year he will be with me again. I have no problems keeping him in check but I do appreciate the groups efforts to ensure its a safe environment.
Will
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Khyn
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Post by Khyn on Dec 10, 2009 14:25:28 GMT -5
Wow. I was gone from the boards for just a little while and this pops up.
As someone who worked CP during sat night at War, I dont know how to better cut down on underage drinking. Maybe we should have more people working CP? A dry party seems like a good idea.
I guess i dont really have anything to add to the discussion that hasn't been said already. I do have a question, though. What the procedure for kicking someone out? The underage drinking I saw was met with a stern warning, and I never saw a repat offender. Should it have been "One strike and you're out?"
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Post by Ashalind Silverscale on Dec 15, 2009 23:29:21 GMT -5
Do we have any official word on what's been decided with this whole issue? It seems all the bickering has gotten quiet now but we still don't have any answer as to how it is being dealt with.
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Lady Krystal
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Post by Lady Krystal on Dec 15, 2009 23:34:30 GMT -5
There were some people on the council who chose to postpone the meeting from last weekend >.>
I want you all to know I am INCREDIBLY upset that they chose to do this, (and with little to NO notice) because it's cutting into the time to actually plan for the event because we're in limbo over the guardianship issue. I cannot appropriately plan for an event that I can't confirm people attending... and I know it's making things difficult for folks from other realms attempting to find out a final decision as far as the fate of their own realm/unit attending.
The meeting has been re-scheduled for the 9th of January and if unforeseen events push the meeting back yet again... then I may just make my own call on the situation because I cannot allow it to go undecided much longer. I do not WANT to do this, I do not WISH to do this... but if it becomes an issue of people wanting to skirt dealing with it then I SHALL do it.
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