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Post by solusar on Feb 2, 2009 17:07:09 GMT -5
How does everyone here check green swords? There are no specific rules for green construction or checking anywhere on the Dag site, and I want to turn everything into blue/green. I've seen a lot of different green designs lately and I wanted to know what the weapon checkers from each realm fail certain designs for/what they do to check greens.
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Post by Skeith, the Forsaken on Feb 2, 2009 17:13:25 GMT -5
Standard stabby tests really. Just make sure it's not dangerous and also lots of people check for turning of the tip so make sure it won't go in an eye.
The hardest construction detail is keeping it on after stabbing people over time. Seems like green tips on blues come off pretty easily.
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Post by Lady Krystal on Feb 2, 2009 17:34:14 GMT -5
Actually, there's a green checking spec, and it's mired into the general weapon construction ruleset. Here's how I generally check stabbing tips: First check point - construction. Is it stable? Is it built to the spec of the template? If it's a chunk of open cell held onto the sword tip via the cover effin' fail.. lol Second check - I usually palm the stabbing tip (if it's not -too- wide) to see if when I press down my palm (NEVER use fingertips - thumbnails I can't stress that enough to some people) to see if I can feel core, and to ensure that it has some progressive resistance to it. If it just collapses under my hand and I can feel straight down to the blue foam base without it having any 'give' - then it fails. Third Check - if it passes through that set, I usually stab myself in the forehead repeatedly for the hit test. If it's a larger weapon (reds, spears, glaives, etc) then I'll check it on myself first and then check it on a back. The back isn't really for a "hit" test (though it's always nice to hear second opinions) but it's to ensure larger weapons being thrust for green don't have their tips bend over sideways and on a second hit deliver just straight blue foam core. If it bends, but bounces back to its original shape then it's good. If it folds over and -stays- that way, then we have a construction issue that needs to be looked into.
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Post by solusar on Feb 2, 2009 17:51:38 GMT -5
A lot of people say they pass straight blue sword with a layer of marine foam on top or an unmodified Edhellen. How do you guys feel about that? Would those pass or fail?
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Post by Skeith, the Forsaken on Feb 2, 2009 18:01:40 GMT -5
I think I know what ur talking about, like gun packing foam? I'd pass that as long as the foam was securely on.
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Post by Tormir on Feb 2, 2009 18:13:31 GMT -5
Actually, there's a green checking spec, and it's mired into the general weapon construction ruleset. Here's how I generally check stabbing tips: First check point - construction. Is it stable? Is it built to the spec of the template? If it's a chunk of open cell held onto the sword tip via the cover effin' fail.. lol Second check - I usually palm the stabbing tip (if it's not -too- wide) to see if when I press down my palm (NEVER use fingertips - thumbnails I can't stress that enough to some people) to see if I can feel core, and to ensure that it has some progressive resistance to it. If it just collapses under my hand and I can feel straight down to the blue foam base without it having any 'give' - then it fails. Third Check - if it passes through that set, I usually stab myself in the forehead repeatedly for the hit test. If it's a larger weapon (reds, spears, glaives, etc) then I'll check it on myself first and then check it on a back. The back isn't really for a "hit" test (though it's always nice to hear second opinions) but it's to ensure larger weapons being thrust for green don't have their tips bend over sideways and on a second hit deliver just straight blue foam core. If it bends, but bounces back to its original shape then it's good. If it folds over and -stays- that way, then we have a construction issue that needs to be looked into. What she said
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Post by Whisper MoonSon on Feb 2, 2009 20:27:47 GMT -5
Just sticking a chunk of marine foam on top might work, but not for long. It needs to be sandwiched between layers of blue foam and secured with glued fabric or tape. What I do is build the sword up to two layers of blue foam on the edges and a couple layers of blue foam over the tip, then I glue on a 1.5" rounded piece of marine foam, glue some rip-stop over the tip edge-wise, running the fabric a half foot or more down the blade on each side, then do the same over the flat, then glue on the last layer of blue foam, wrapping it over the tip. Does that make any sense? Might be easier with an illustration...
Ain't no way I'd ever pass an unmodified EH for green! At least none of the ones I've seen. Every one that I've seen you can feel the tip of the core through the foam without even pushing too hard. They're usually quite safe as blues, but no way as greens.
Anyway, I'd check them pretty much the way Krystal does. Blue/greens I'd test with soft/medium/hard single-handed stabs, reds with two-handed stabs.
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Post by solusar on Feb 2, 2009 21:56:01 GMT -5
Just sticking a chunk of marine foam on top might work, but not for long. It needs to be sandwiched between layers of blue foam and secured with glued fabric or tape. What I do is build the sword up to two layers of blue foam on the edges and a couple layers of blue foam over the tip, then I glue on a 1.5" rounded piece of marine foam, glue some rip-stop over the tip edge-wise, running the fabric a half foot or more down the blade on each side, then do the same over the flat, then glue on the last layer of blue foam, wrapping it over the tip. Does that make any sense? Might be easier with an illustration... Ain't no way I'd ever pass an unmodified EH for green! At least none of the ones I've seen. Every one that I've seen you can feel the tip of the core through the foam without even pushing too hard. They're usually quite safe as blues, but no way as greens. Anyway, I'd check them pretty much the way Krystal does. Blue/greens I'd test with soft/medium/hard single-handed stabs, reds with two-handed stabs. That's why I asked. PS: Gimme a link so I can get some marine foam. And about that, geddon.org/index.php/Constructing_a_Stabbing_Tip. This is the tutorial I've seen for marine foam stabby tips. I got stabbed a bunch by one at Rag last year. Would you guys all pass a sword like this?
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Post by Lizard King on Feb 3, 2009 0:10:55 GMT -5
I check my stabbies just like Krystal does only I have another step after that before it "passes". I set the pommel on the ground and headbut the tip lightly at first, then I do it harder bit by bit untill it hurts... Ya, I know what you are saying, RETARD!! I don't do it retardedly hard but just enough to test it because I will not put a tip out that might hurt someone. I am a bit over zealous when it comes to safety and especially greens.
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Post by Whisper MoonSon on Feb 3, 2009 10:37:43 GMT -5
My method's a lot closer the the "Old Method" on that tutorial, only I start out with flat tip instead of rounded for the blue foam, leaving the rounded method for the last layer. The main method on that site I'm not sure about. Seems they're using an awfully thin layer of soft foam there - I'd have a hard time believing that it's sufficient to make it pass. But I'd have to test it. I've seen some swords with only blue foam that seemed fairly safe as stabbies, so who knows? Here's a link to Guntar's stabby design (with sources for foam): www.dagorhir.com/HowTo/GvK_thrusting_tip_design_November_2008.pdf
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Post by Lady Krystal on Feb 3, 2009 13:19:25 GMT -5
Yeah I'm with Whisper Soulsar, I mean - looking at it I'm thinking "wow that's not much stabbing-esque foam.." but without a hit test, I can't say yes or no. I also plan on making a couple blue/greens for Gates (hooray!) but I've got some computer foam I'm going to be using - and I have an arrowhead that broke off a shaft at Rag... that's turning into a gorgeous dagger. Some of my favorites are from arrows that broke and the heads weren't modular. Just hack out the arrow shaft.. throw a piece of fiberglass in that bad boy and slap a pommel on. Or hell.. if it's a carbon or fiberglass arrow... just wrap it in tape and slap a pommel on the broken end. Just be sure to cap those ends though.. fiberglass sucks when it gets impaled in your hand.
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Post by solusar on Feb 3, 2009 16:13:12 GMT -5
I brought up that specific design because there were people at Rag using them, so I wanted to know how widely accepted it was. I've never seen Guntar's blue stabbing design, I've only seen his glaive. I'll give that one a try.
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Post by igitgreen on Feb 19, 2009 5:12:18 GMT -5
to tell the truth i have so many wepons with greens that i think i have tryed almoust every way to put a green on wepons lol for daggers i like the little nerf round balls cuase thats how the frist wepon i got was made and it was still passing 4 years after i got it hince y i have two new ones now lol the same can be done with a blue i had one that lasted about a year then it died my secound gates lol that old design looks a lil scary but who knows maby just a bad image as far as size gos id like to see one just for that fact i love to green ppl lol
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Post by igitgreen on Feb 19, 2009 5:14:09 GMT -5
oh ya and i like the way krystal checks cause every green ive ever had has passed lol so thats good lol all so since she been doing that thats how i leard how to check them ty krystal lol
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Post by arc on Jun 3, 2009 18:08:13 GMT -5
stab someone with it as hard as you can if it hurts to bad it dosn't pass. its realy not the type of construction its wether its safe or not. but the best stabby swords i've seen where made with nerf mini foot balls.
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