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Post by shyrkien on May 4, 2009 4:10:19 GMT -5
I have already made two blues that did not (in the slightest ) pass for field. I've been turned on to fiberglass cores but I can't get a good idea in my head on how best to implement a stabbing tip. I've been building it as a flat blade; as in squaring out the core and then running strips of blue camp foam over the entire blade from the bottom of one end to the bottom of the other. I recently looked at a guide that suggested layering the open-cell foam between the second layer of closed cell foam and the third, but I was thinking that if I was going to do that, I might as well layer it between the first and second as well for a kinder stabby. I'd like anyone's thoughts on both concepts: Single layer of open cell between second and third layers of closed Dual layering between both first and second AND second and third layers of closed cell. == First post ever ==
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Post by Orrin None-son on May 4, 2009 5:58:44 GMT -5
To much open cell makes hte tip floopy. I beleive that between both layerws would cause it to fall apart fairly qickly. For my own stabbys' I cut out a piece of open cell about an in wider and thicker than hte sword tip. ((optional step. I just fid it easier to work with)) I then place a strip of carpet tape, or layer of spray glue((not dap, dap gets soaked up to quick) on the very tip of the blade. This will help hold the open cell on as you porceed. Press the open cell onto the tip, allowing it to hang over on all sides. Press it so that the sides that hang are sagging to the sword. Then take a piece of cloth tape or strapping tape ((NOT DUCT TAPE)) of the top of hte blade, from side to side, and then from front to back. Proceec by placing a few more at angles side to side. Make sure your cloth tape extend well onto the blade. Now wrap the blade of the sword starting at the bottum edge of hte cloth tape and proceed down about an inch past the cloth tape. I have had thes stabbies last me for about a year. But, all stabbies are a structural week point.
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Post by deamos on May 4, 2009 9:27:04 GMT -5
I should be in town the next few days, give me a ring and maybe we can work something out. BTW do you go to the SCA practice on Wednesdays?
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Post by arrakis on May 4, 2009 10:19:59 GMT -5
Geez, Orrin, tape overkill much? Having that much tape constricting the skin stretch of the foam near the point of greatest surface strain is causing your structural weakness. When your stabbies finally blow, I bet they damn near rip all the way off right at the bottom of the tape, right? I've done this type of stabby for a long time: (a layer of POOF under the last blue layer, with a strip of hockey tape from striking surface-to-striking surface over the POOF under that last layer) But I'm going to be trying out marine foam stabbing tips soon, very soon, yessss.... *cackles*
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Post by Orrin None-son on May 4, 2009 10:29:29 GMT -5
Actually, when they blow, it is just the tape tearing. I had actually JUST retaped that one before the pic. It looks like alot, becasue you are seeing both hte old layer of tape and the new layer.
The benifit of doing it that way is, when the stabby fails, you still have a legal safe blue.
The trick is to NOT pull the tape, lay it soflty.
But, hey, if you have a design that works.. use it. Suggest it. WE can only grow by sharing.
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Post by shyrkien on May 4, 2009 10:37:17 GMT -5
I've done this type of stabby for a long time: (a layer of POOF under the last blue layer, with a strip of hockey tape from striking surface-to-striking surface over the POOF under that last layer) But I'm going to be trying out marine foam stabbing tips soon, very soon, yessss.... *cackles* How well does that layout of the foam hold up to continued use? It seems like it would be a little more of a task to rebuild it when the foam finally gives on the stab, but I like how it allows for the stab tip while still maintaining the shape of the sword. last thought now that I have decided to give it a shot and see how it comes out: What's everyone's preferred foam for a stab tip? I've looked at a lot of guides and I can't tell what the most effective material would be, it's more how-to than why-to in general. EDIT: Deamos- I haven't ever really been able to, the practice time they use clashes with my work schedule.
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Post by Orrin None-son on May 4, 2009 10:43:42 GMT -5
I use yellow car sponges from the cleaning supplies at lowes. damned good stuff with decent compression rate.
My prefered is grey computer packing foam, but it is hard ot come by down here.
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Post by Cyodie Centrawoven on May 4, 2009 16:15:07 GMT -5
I have seen the layered stabby of putting the foam between the first and second layers, it seems to work rather well, but your should use a bit less than you would for the one layer, because if you do not, then your structural integrity will be significantly less.
If you have a Oi! 'Ew! Pink Skin!-ton of questions, PM lizard. he's the one who makes then like that, if i remember correctly. XD
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Post by solusar on May 4, 2009 18:18:38 GMT -5
I'm in the process of finding a design that will pass for Dominion practices with marine foam. When it happens, you'll all know. I think my next idea is going to be what Arrakis did, but with marine foam instead of poofball.
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Post by Deegun Wolfcaller on May 4, 2009 18:31:58 GMT -5
Solusar and stabby tips will never pass! Too uber!
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Post by shyrkien on May 4, 2009 22:10:26 GMT -5
Thank you to everyone who threw me some feedback, I really appreciate it. I think I am going to invest in several of the options, particularly the marine foam, and see which feels like it would work the best. I should have my first (hopefully) working blue for the next practice. Weee!
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Post by Deegun Wolfcaller on May 4, 2009 22:25:51 GMT -5
Post pic of it! We love pics.
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Post by arrakis on May 4, 2009 22:37:46 GMT -5
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Post by Whisper MoonSon on May 4, 2009 23:10:28 GMT -5
How I make stabbies: Make the sword at least 2" thick at the core. Single layer of blue foam over the tip of the core with a patch of rip-stop (or medium weight leather) glued to the core-facing side of the foam. 1.5" tall piece of marine foam, slightly rounded, glued to the single layer of blue foam. Two strips of rip-stop nylon - one glued over the tip from flat to flat, the other glued over the tip from edge to edge. A final layer of blue foam glued on from edge to edge over the tip.
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Post by Buddha on May 6, 2009 11:15:29 GMT -5
And if you still are having problems talk to me next practice, my method tends to add a little weight to the weapon but that's what I prefer. I need to get some better quality open cell and then I'll probably have something better.
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