Cyodie Centrawoven
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Post by Cyodie Centrawoven on Jan 30, 2009 21:34:42 GMT -5
Kitespar is for cheaters and women with bad wrists. And it beaks. I've broken every kitespar sword I ever used for more than 2 fights. K Welcome to Amtgard. lol I think as long as a weapon makes it's minim weights it's fine. Everyone looks at Dagorhir through the historical inclined ideas. Yes this is a sword fighting based sport but the rules and warfare are different. Not everything you do is going to apply the same in real fighting. Thus you must treat the game like it is, a game. In a world where leather armor is just as sturdy as plate. Smashing your own back with your flail is UNACCEPTABLE (in dag, at least.) And an army of gimps can defeat a whole unit of skilled fighters. (true! seen it happen! XD edited and added to. LOL and Kitespar is really not that bad. if your not making reds. AAAnd i just made a red with my first ever stabbing tip. XD fiberglass and slightly balanced. go ME!
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Cyodie Centrawoven
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Post by Cyodie Centrawoven on Jan 30, 2009 21:38:38 GMT -5
Anyone know where i can find a good tutorial on how to make a passing stabby tip?
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Post by Kurai Neruda D'elacroix on Jan 30, 2009 23:20:27 GMT -5
Welcome to Amtgard. lol I think as long as a weapon makes it's minim weights it's fine. Everyone looks at Dagorhir through the historical inclined ideas. Yes this is a sword fighting based sport but the rules and warfare are different. Not everything you do is going to apply the same in real fighting. Thus you must treat the game like it is, a game. In a world where leather armor is just as sturdy as plate. Smashing your own back with your flail is UNACCEPTABLE (in dag, at least.) And an army of gimps can defeat a whole unit of skilled fighters. (true! seen it happen! XD edited and added to. LOL and Kitespar is really not that bad. if your not making reds. AAAnd i just made a red with my first ever stabbing tip. XD fiberglass and slightly balanced. go ME! Judging by how often you are saying you've built weapons, i trust you're enjoying all of the fiberglass that I jacked! ;D Cuz, you know, I grabbed three out of the four! And was ready to grab a fifth! I got gung-ho!
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Whisper MoonSon
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Post by Whisper MoonSon on Jan 31, 2009 0:13:41 GMT -5
Not sure what your concept of realistic weapon weights is, but nothing shorter than six feet should be weighing in at five pounds! An ounce per inch is typical, give or take a quarter ounce.
In the end, it's a matter of preferences. Do you want a minor speed bonus at the expense of decreased stability and stopping power, or do you want a minor speed penalty with the bonus of having a weapon that can hit with authority and do some of your work for you?
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deamos
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Post by deamos on Jan 31, 2009 0:31:15 GMT -5
Anyone know where i can find a good tutorial on how to make a passing stabby tip? One of our guys used a nurf ball and one of the can holder things to reinforce the tip with chunks cut out for better compression. Not sure what your concept of realistic weapon weights is, but nothing shorter than six feet should be weighing in at five pounds! An ounce per inch is typical, give or take a quarter ounce. In the end, it's a matter of preferences. Do you want a minor speed bonus at the expense of decreased stability and stopping power, or do you want a minor speed penalty with the bonus of having a weapon that can hit with authority and do some of your work for you? I've never really had a problem with a weapon that I take my time on being unstable (if its in the sense of breakdown or decay) also I think its important to mention its not how much weight but how its balanced that really makes the difference in its function.
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Post by Lizard King on Jan 31, 2009 1:33:44 GMT -5
My red is kitespar, I didn't have it out at the practice you guys showed up at but I am pretty sure I showed it to you. It's a beast and so far has held up REALLY well. Granted my first bad @$$ red was kite spar and Tigi broke it on a Romans shoulder...one handed... it was still fairly tough and lasted 2 years before that point. Man, that was an insane event.
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Whisper MoonSon
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Post by Whisper MoonSon on Jan 31, 2009 11:01:19 GMT -5
I've never really had a problem with a weapon that I take my time on being unstable (if its in the sense of breakdown or decay) also I think its important to mention its not how much weight but how its balanced that really makes the difference in its function. I was meaning more along the lines of stability in motion. A light weapon is easier to deflect and more subject to muscle noise. A heavier weapon buffers out the noise and has inertia on its side. And yes, proper balance counts far more than mass.
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Post by Buddha on Feb 2, 2009 12:03:16 GMT -5
As far as stability gained from weight goes I love it in a one-handed defense weapon. My quarterstaff has a bamboo core that was heavier than most of my reds before I put anything on it. So I made it into a staff that with block well and use it mostly to stab for legs. Besides, that much mass in a rigid weapon meant to be swung isn't safe. I made a red out of a similar piece and it will never see the field. It is more suited for battling the zombie invasion. As far as kitespar goes, for me it is not very beneficial. I have seen Deamos use it and it works great for him because he uses fast flurries and muscle memory. My favorite blue is curved hotwater pvc because at reduced length it is still light and useable but has enough to it to block two-handed red shots from a heavy glaive.
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Kang
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Post by Kang on Feb 3, 2009 11:48:51 GMT -5
If you're using kitespar for 2 handed weapons and not braking it, you're not hitting hard enough to deliver suficient force. You're throwing shots people can't feel. This will hurt your performace on a national field. IMHO. Of course weapons are not "realisticly" weighted. And there are other aspects of this sport that come up short on that score. But do we HAVE to revel in it? Do we HAVE to use every modern advatage? They why can't we wear aluminium chain mail? I just like to be a little more hardcore, I guess. K
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Post by Lizard King on Feb 3, 2009 12:24:52 GMT -5
So far I have NO problem with people feeling my shots. Magnus of the Red hand was just out for the weekend from Aquilonia and the only bad thing he had to say about it was the handle was a tad short... Which I agree lol. And it is the exact same design that I used when I tore through my first events red tourny and won. Meh, I will show you when I get the chance Kang. Who knows you might be pleasently surprised? Here is short video of our pratice this last sunday. I am the one holding the Red sword. It isn't the best video but I will have better up here soon. for a kitespar weapon it is above and beyond any other kitespar. Please excuse the narrator, he has problems with the pitch of his voice and yelling directly into the camera vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=51585033
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Kang
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Post by Kang on Feb 3, 2009 14:22:20 GMT -5
I'm only speaking from my (extensive, all be it with a different group) full contact experience. I've broken 6 kitespar swords that the owner swore up and down would not break. I told them they would, and they did. I've broken 3 kitespar sword with my shield edge by blocking very hard. 2 of those were on purpose becuase the guys told me I couldn't do it. It's a trick I can show you. I make all my reds from 1/2" solid fiberglass. I used to use round, but they flex out after about a season. I switched to 1/2" square this year and am very happy with the results. I still use 1/2" round for my blue swords. I don't want you guys to think I'm talking Oi! 'Ew! Pink Skin! or just being argumentative. I've never seen a kitespar sword that would last in serious fighting. At least not in the hands of some one who swings properly. I have won 4 national red tourney's. 3 in Id and 1 in Illinois. I've also broken every PVC sword I ever used. Also, I don't know how y'all do it, but for me, a hit counts if it hits with sufficient force. That means I feel it. If I do not feel it, it ain't a hit. That mean I swing hard and so should you. K
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Post by Lizard King on Feb 4, 2009 1:16:35 GMT -5
Not at all man. These forums are a lot better about free speech. Everyone has their opinion, and people don't have to worry too much about upsetting someone else because theirs doesn't match everyone else's around here. At least that's the feeling I get, I could be wrong... ANYWHO. Kitespar doesn't work for everyone. I used it exclusively when I first started because I was an Amptgard reject. I didn't like their weapons and they didn't like me hitting too hard and wanting to be "aggressive". The only problem I still have from that is I take much lighter stuff than about 80% of the fighters out there in Bel and Dag. It's my biggest weakness and downfall a lot of the time. I have been gravitating towards the square fiberglass more and more these days. Especially for my reds. The round stuff always flexed after a few months and it's why I stayed away from fiberglass for so long. The half inch kitespar was good enough for me and when I filled the inside of it with expanding foam insulation it not only added weight but a lot of the stability that it so desperately needed. Could be one reason why I have such good luck with it. I am not too surprised that you break the stuff so easily. You are a tank from what I hear and I really would like to meet you and get some fights in with you.
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Post by Buddha on Feb 4, 2009 17:41:36 GMT -5
While we are on the topic of that 1/2 inch fiberglass, how much does it flex? One of the reasons why I like bamboo is that the right piece won't flex.
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Post by Kurai Neruda D'elacroix on Feb 4, 2009 18:11:51 GMT -5
I've never used square, but if it doesn't flex more than circular it should be great. Not much flex at all in the fiberglass rods I jacked from the local golf course (located conveniently just [and I'm talking {quite literally}] about just around the corner, not even five minutes down the road) and they hold up well. Good thickness and they even have those nice little weights at the end where the metal piece helped hold it into the hole! A good stick of fiberglass will last long, have good weight and give at just the right amount, to keep it from hurting.
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Post by Lizard King on Feb 4, 2009 22:49:21 GMT -5
The square stuff has a LOT less flex over the long run than round.
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