Kang
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Post by Kang on Jan 21, 2009 14:27:07 GMT -5
I've been looking for weapons and on the other Dagorhir board they told me I could buy some from some other members, but there aren't any companies who sell them. I see here an ad for a weapons dealer. Are their weapons good? Do they pass at all events? I hope so, I'm probly buyin some. K
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Orrin None-son
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Post by Orrin None-son on Jan 21, 2009 15:13:52 GMT -5
They do not pass at ALL events. But, with alittle modifications they can pass at MOST events. That is assuming you are talking about Edhellen stuff. Also there is the Eryndor store. eryndor.com/store.php. They are actually a Dagorhir realm who build everything to Dag specs. Also, they have slightly better prices on most things. And you can find tutorials on how to build your own exactly the same way they do. Other than that, there are people who would be willing to build for you. I myself don't like to sell my stuff. It is quality stuff and I love my gear, but I don't feel it is worthy of selling. If you go to Gates of Summer, I gauranty you can find stuff there. Atleast your chances of buying things there are better than getting me to make an entire post with no typo's... lol Also, if you purchase there, you can feel the weapon in hand first. decided how you like it before spending your cash. I know that a few people in my realm (Ravenwood) have discussed bringing extra that we would be willing to part with.
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Post by cody on Jan 21, 2009 17:54:54 GMT -5
I used to make weapons. tell me what you want, I'll tell you if it can be built and how to build it. Hell if you make an impression on me, I just might come out of retirement.
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Kang
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Post by Kang on Jan 22, 2009 14:13:19 GMT -5
Why don't they pass at all events? Don't you people use the same rules at all your events? If not, that seems pretty short sighted. Are they weapons they sell bad? Do they not meet the required dementions? This is very confusing. The other people I have fought with in the past have been very strict on weapon rules and they are always the same from event to event within the same organisation. How can you have events all over the country, where people travel hundreds of miles, and have different weapon requirments when they get there than they expected. I mean if something is legal in Dagorhir in Cali, when would it fail in D.C.? WTF? K
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Post by Kurai Neruda D'elacroix on Jan 22, 2009 15:53:46 GMT -5
Well, we all use the same rules. Only thing you've got to watch out for is that some places are more strict about their checks than others. A weapon that passes at Gates or War may not pass at Ragnarok. Not because of a different rule set, just because different checkers have different criterion that the weapons need to pass. Most peoples will pass at a majority of events. But in between there is plenty of time for wear, tear and damage to a weapon through use to make it unsuitable to some checkers. Not that it's unsafe, just that it's not what they consider "safest".
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Orrin None-son
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Post by Orrin None-son on Jan 22, 2009 18:33:17 GMT -5
When they are newer, the weapons hit questionably hard. Some feel they are borderline, and pass them, while others say to hard and fail them. Pain is subjective, and there is no real way to solidify a set amount. You can not remove the human factor. The tester could be a average guy, while the "back" (the guy getting hit in the test) is a really big guy. What he feels is ok, may bring a smaller person to thier knees in tears.
As to the dimensions, no, the pommel is alittle to small, and the tips can be to pointed a curve, they are not all exactly uniform. The measurements are as close to minimum as possible, so with to much wear-n-tear they are to small.
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Post by cody on Jan 23, 2009 7:47:22 GMT -5
ok if you are going to order an Edhellen weapon, there are a few tricks to make it legal. 1) order a standard sword and put one wrap of blue foam (dapped) around the pommel and the tape it accordingly, and remove the cover and put another layer of duct tape on the flat, but go up and over the too pointed tip. While applying even pressure, compress the tip from the top of the sword, and you will fix this problem. Also when you press the duct tape down, there will be four sharp edged corners sticking up from the tape. Ttrim these off with a knife, the use cloth tape, (preferably andhover hockey tape) and apply a small wrap covering the tip of the sword. This is important. DO NOT COMPRESS THE SIDES OF THE SWORD TIP!!!!!!!!! this wrap of cloth tape is only to help the tip last longer, not compress the hell out of it.
The other option to the pommel problem is shelling out an extra eight bucks, and ordering the spade pommel on any of their swords. It was my prefered pommel design, when I still fought.
just the two cents of a fat brokendown fighter, take it how you will
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Kang
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Post by Kang on Jan 23, 2009 14:19:36 GMT -5
I fully understand that foam weapons break down and need to be replaced regularly. This ain't my first rodeo, after all. I've been fighting with other groups for 15 years. What I don't get is how you can have weapon checker using different standards. That's the lamest thing I've ever heard. I mean I understand the people are different, but rules are rules. Either Oi! 'Ew! Pink Skin! passes or it does not. I would not allow well made weapons in good condition to be failed at am event I was involved with simply becuase one of the weapon checker felt they were "too stiff". Hurt and INJURED are different. Injuries occur to 95% of healthy humans at the same degrees of force and weapon hardness. Being"hurt" is subjective. If some one is too big a pussy to take the slight discomfort of helping check weapons, rather than fail the weapons, they should let some one else do the job. K
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Orrin None-son
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Post by Orrin None-son on Jan 23, 2009 15:09:02 GMT -5
No offense, but it sounds more like you came to start crap, than to get answers. Therefore, I am done. Have a nice day.
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Whisper MoonSon
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Post by Whisper MoonSon on Jan 23, 2009 16:08:59 GMT -5
My experience with EdHellen weapons:
1. Their blues are frequently on the border of being too stiff. Many are all the way over the border when new. They bruise me, and I don't bruise easily. Once broken in, they're OK. I've heard you can work them out with a rolling pin to soften the foam up a bit.
2. Forget about their reds. Way too hard.
Weapons check is subjective. That's just how it is. Most checkers and backs have a lot of experience in the game and have a pretty good idea what's safe. If you want to be sure your weapons pass, make them safe enough that anyone will pass them.
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Post by Skeith, the Forsaken on Jan 23, 2009 19:33:19 GMT -5
*ahem*
I would like to say I'm a supporter of Edhellen weapons. I think they are effective and better than what I can build (I really don't like making weapons). I have rarely see self built weapons that live up to the standards that Edhellen achieves. On the other hand there are those weapons out there and when they are awesome they are awesome.
I will say most vendor weapons are crap though. Most vendor weapons I've seen have broken soon after they are used (includes most random vendors at Ragnarok). The trick is to find a well crafted weapon that wasn't mass produced.
On the note of weapons checkers, it's a tough gig. I mean you gotta call the shots and be broad about it. None of us are professionals (not like there is XD) and use our best judgment to check them either that be right or wrong.
You got to realize the weapon you are using could be picked up and used by the biggest fighter on the smallest fighter potentially. So if someone fails you weapon, don't get mad unless it's for a good reason. Also if that's the case just simply ask for a second opinion by another weapons checker. It's that easy, what ever you do don't send it back through the check multiple times.
We WILL know and we WILL beat you with it. lol
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Post by Lizard King on Jan 23, 2009 21:14:35 GMT -5
Kang, Sorry I helped you here and took forever to get here. Edhellen weapons are ok. I personally don't prefer their foam though. It's not that we all don't use the same rules it is that those weapons are made for another game and they have slightly different rules. Almost all Dagorhir events follow the standard MoA with small "house" rules thrown in. Now as for Vendor weapons, I like to consider myself a freelance Vendor and I make some pretty cool weapons that are superior to the armories in my honest opinion. I have weapons that are made of standard blue foam so its not too hard but will ONLY blow out on the most extreme of circumstances. They can be used for either game as the standard design passes in both games. Durable, long lasting, cool looking, and most importantly safe. Hey man if there is ever a chance you can make it out to a Denver practice, I know it's a hella long drive, please come out. We will feed and house you for a weekend or so and make the trip worth it. I know it's 3 hours but that is what we do when we drive to Co springs, so it's not like you are alone
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Crynolyn
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Post by Crynolyn on Jan 23, 2009 23:10:43 GMT -5
I'm a big fan of Edhellen weapons. I have 10 swords and 3 sheilds from them. I've been buying their stuff since 2003. Their swords seem to hold up longer than traditional blue foam swords, in my limited experience
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Post by gazinshe on Jan 24, 2009 10:35:38 GMT -5
I have also been buying their stuff since 03, I got 5 swords, a buckler, and a javi, one of the swords is the great sword.... had it for 3 years, it is broken in, but still not usable at events
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Post by gazinshe on Jan 24, 2009 10:35:57 GMT -5
edhellen= awesome
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